Should the focus of feminism include less comfortable, sometimes less straight-forward goals?

I see this happening already to some extent, but not nearly as much it needs to. I see the eyes rolling. Really, I have women's best interests in mind here. The right to vote, own property, have equal opportunities in the workplace, and be free from domestic violence are all examples of goals that should go without question. Although the work that has been done in areas like this has been hard, it isn't as uncomfortable or nebulous as some of the goals I'd like to propose, goals that include more self-reflection. If these don't apply to you directly, try to realize how they apply to you indirectly.


-Become less reactive when men make intelligent, well thought out observations about women.


-Treat good men better and leave bad men sooner.


-Consider the impact of indirect communication with men who communicate with you directly. He doesn't get it and he doesn't like it, and you benefit from the way he communicates with you.


-Don't be in denial of your needs a woman.Should the focus of feminism include less comfortable, sometimes less straight-forward goals?
It sounds to me that you are proposing that women consider acting a bit more like men. But then again, within our society today, men aren't really acting like men as much. Perhaps you should recommend those same concepts to men to work on as well.Should the focus of feminism include less comfortable, sometimes less straight-forward goals?
Your initial question, “should the focus…” begs the answer…no… the FOCUS must be on key points which affect all women and require(d) changes in legislation to make women legally recognized as people. If there is any shift of focus needed it is a return to those basic principles on which feminism was founded.





Your suggestions may be valid points to consider, but I see them as individual goals that some may choose to embrace, not the sort of thing that the leadership of a social movement can promote. A social movement seeks to change something about society. You suggestions read more like a goal sheet from a psychotherapist. That being said, you have made some good points, which I would like to address individually:





-Become less reactive when men make intelligent, well thought out observations about women.


OK, besides being very subjective (what is intelligent %26amp; well thought out?) it seems to judge an emotional response as negative [not helpful in improving gender relations].





-Treat good men better and leave bad men sooner.


OK, give me some how-to’s here…. How do you want women to treat good men? How are you going to help abused women leave their abusers? [Easy to say….HARD to do]





-Consider the impact of indirect communication with men who communicate with you directly. He doesn't get it and he doesn't like it, and you benefit from the way he communicates with you.


Men and women communicate differently. Accept it and learn the skills you need to be effective in communication with the opposite sex. She should do the same. [Not understanding how she benefits from poor communication..? care to elaborate?]





-Don't be in denial of your needs a woman.


Which needs are we denying?





If this comes off as argumentative, I apologize. I’m just trying to understand why you are making the suggestions you are.
Sorry, but I'm going to get thumbs down from you and from a lot of others, and I generally like your questions too, but I just feel that women shouldn't have to kow tow to men in EVERYTHING. Why should the focus of feminisim be about what makes men feel better?


And I know the radical feminists make the rest of us look bad, but that's the way of the world, isn't it? One bad apple, and all that...but feminism is about the betterment of womankind, not making friends. Sorry if we have to step on a few male toes to get what we, and our (and your) daughters and granddaughters and great granddaughters, need to survive in this man's world, but hey, nobody said life was going to be easy.


Edit: Right, not interested in winning over the hearts and minds of 50% of the population? I am far from being a radical feminist, but I don't think that that is the purpose of the feminist movement. Granted women do need to express themselves so that men can see what is required and be ';won over'; to ';join the team';, so to speak, but you posed your question as though the feminist movement should be focused to that purpose and I disagree. I think men should be understanding of what is required and just jump on the bandwagon!
Your feminist ';goals'; sound like a self-help manual, not goals to assist women to attain political and professional goals.





Like another poster said, these are goals men could work on as well:


-Become less reactive when women make intelligent observations about men


-Treat good women better, and leave bad women sooner


-Consider the impact of direct communication with women-they might not get it and may not like it-you may have to use indirect communication


-Don't be in denial of your emotional needs as a man
You're asking feminists to be people when they just want to be women!


Stick with the humanists. The feminists can go to Hell.

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